Got a nasty message from a sender about what cards I said I would upload

LOL well you can claim that others are OCD about their sent cards but someone else could claim the same thing about having a wall only that has B&W postcards.

Well, yes. That is true. :rolleyes:

But the current Postcrossing rules back the recipient; they don't back the sender.

You seem to want to be justified since you keep asking "is there anything wrong with this". Many people will find it wrong since many people don't see Postcrossing as a collection website.

1. I'm not looking "to be justified", Yvonne. I'm looking for a straight "yes" or "no" answer to my question. It you can prove to me it's wrong, I will back down.

2. The rules don't state that it's wrong to upload only a certain kind of postcards on a wall.

3. I don't INSIST on getting black and white postcards - I'm just choosing to upload only those in my gallery. I thought it would be fun to theme my account that way. All other cards are appreciated as well - they just don't get shown on that particular gallery! If these people want their "sent cards" to be shown, they can go open another gallery of their own and show them there!

Additionally people may already be irked by the fact that you have many different accounts each requesting a specific type of postcard and also that you tend to send ad cards from these accounts.

Now, this is where I disagree completely.

1) Prove it - http://www.postcrossing.com/user/blacknwhite/gallery/sent/1
And those are only the cards that got uploaded. I have sent loads more that were so-called "proper" tourist postcards that did not get uploaded by their recipients.

2) Let's not get into the whole ad card issue here. If I sent a user an ad card, it was because on their profile they wrote they liked something other than "landscape". I picked the NIN card, for example, for someone said he liked NIN. Do you think he would have been happier to receive a generic tourist-type postcard??? I once sent a Finnish girl the same NIN card too (also a fan), even though it is a so-called "ad card", and she LOVED it. She thanked me and said it was one of the best cards she'd received. So, who is anyone to judge my choice of cards to users I drew? I pick each card for a reason. People who say they like tourist postcards best of all always do get one from me. The fact that I do send out tourist postcards should show that I am serious about this hobby.

posted on 2-12-2009 at 01:35 PM

If you find that you are getting this type of response a lot then you may want to open one or several Flickr accounts and make galleries of the postcards that you like to see together.

Now, here is the key issue. Why should I be the one to open another gallery? Shouldn't it be the sender, if they insist on having their sent postcards appear?

My Postcrossing gallery of received cards is exactly that - mine. Since I have no control over my sent cards, I don't go around dictating that people MUST upload the card I sent them.

As I said before, if Postcrossing wants the sender to have control, they would make it that way.

Now, it would be nice to hear from some of Postcrossing's owners/people-in-charge.

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Actually, I was thinking maybe I should phrase my question a bit differently:

Is it wrong to write that I appreciate all cards, but will only upload the black and white ones to my Postcrossing "received" gallery?

OR

I want my Postcrossing "received" gallery to show only the black and white cards. Is this wrong?

If it is wrong, tell me and I will stop doing it!!!

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In other words, if you send me any kind of card, I will still be happy, but if you send me a black and white card, it's a "bonus" and it will go in the gallery. Why? Because I thought it would be fun to have the gallery just show the black and white ones.

I don't get why people think they MUST mail me black and white cards? Why?

Answer: The only reason is because they want their sent card to appear in your gallery, and will be unhappy if it isn't!

What I want to know is, are they justified in being unhappy?

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posted on 2-12-2009 at 01:53 PM

I don't consider the question nasty. Much worse is the way you are writing things here.

First: it's no need to write on bold, big letters and underline, we can read perfectely with the Forum standard writing;

Second: English is not the main language on Germany, maybe this was the way the user know how to ask his questions (again, I don't think his words are nasty);

Third: you ask for an opinion here, you should listen to people's opinion without it and not trying to force your idea or making a war out of it.

And no, there's no obligation to upload any card, each one is free to upload or not or just upload the cards they choose.

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posted on 2-12-2009 at 02:18 PM

I apologise if this comes across as being aggressive.
I thought that English may not be the main language of many users here, so was just trying to emphasise certain key words in my sentences. I do that out of habit, really - if you look at all my other posts in the forum (on other topics as well) I like to use bold, italics, underline, different font size, etc. (Well, they are there for a reason, right?)

Second: English is not the main language on Germany, maybe this was the way the user know how to ask his questions (again, I don't think his words are nasty);

No one would know except the sender herself.

Third: you ask for an opinion here, you should listen to people's opinion without it and not trying to force your idea or making a war out of it.

I just want an answer to my question; that question has not been answered, until now (see below).

posted on 2-12-2009 at 02:19 PM

And no, there's no obligation to upload any card, each one is free to upload or not or just upload the cards they choose.

So the answer to my question is, no, it's not wrong? Well, then, thank you.

Case closed.

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I think the problem here (and you can correct me if I'm wrong) is two people for whom English is a second language Something is lost in translation.
The person comments to you don't strike me as being rude. I don't think your comment about only posting b&w is rude either, but it does come across as being picky. Do what you like with your wall, but I suggest you take that line out. Also you must expect comments to not always be complimentary.

Members simply get tired of reading profiles that appear to be demanding, even if that is not the intention. I get tired of reading endless profiles that are five pages of shopping lists.

It is correct that words do not need to be in caps, bold, underlined, or quoted to get the meaning across. This is something that even English people do that drives me crazy The words convey the meaning and if they don't,you need to find different ones to explain what you mean.

I get the feeling people are getting too uptight about these walls. I don't post on my wall because most times the senders have already done that, sometimes even before I get cards. (which totally ruins the surprise)

I don't check to see if the cards I send get uploaded either. The only time I look at walls is to see what other Canadians are sending to avoid sending the same cards

Do what you like with your wall and enjoy yourself

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posted on 2-12-2009 at 02:38 PM

It is correct that words do not need to be in caps, bold, underlined, or quoted to get the meaning across. This is something that even English people do that drives me crazy The words convey the meaning and if they don't,you need to find different ones to explain what you mean.

Haha, well, ok. I do it out of habit - if you search my posts, you will find I do it all the time.

I don't intend to be aggressive, I just want to stress/highlight the point. I had no idea people online were so sensitive about such things. It will be HARD for me NOT to do this. <--- see what I mean? That's because I write the same way I talk (stressed words & accenting - as a native English speaker I think you know what I mean), and I am quite vocally dramatic.

I will bear this point in mind. It's still hard to resist the bolds though. LOL :smilegrin:

If you look at my school study notes (I used to be an excessive note-taker in my time as a student), I used up to 12 different coloured pens for different types of points, and whatever kind of listing, bulleting, bolding, highlighting, underlining, etc method there was, I employed it. My classmates used to find looking at my notes amusing because it was multi-coloured and almost every line of text was highlighted.

Without making excuses for my etiquette, I would still like to ask though, what on earth are the "bold", "italic" and "underline" functions for then? And the different font sizes?

posted on 2-12-2009 at 07:59 PM

I don't post on my wall because most times the senders have already done that, sometimes even before I get cards. (which totally ruins the surprise)

I had no idea you could see what you're getting before you receive it? :puzzled:

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At the end of the day, it is the recipient's choice as to upload a postcard to her wall. So if ammy wishes to have her received wall to consist of black and white postcards, that is her choice - and I support that. The sender who commented otherwise was rude, IMHO.

Sometimes a sender may scan and upload the card sent, and it usually stays on the postcard wall. Of course, the reciever may delete it if she wishes. As I upload all my sent cards, I have not seen that happen yet, but there remains the possibility of one of my uploads get deleted.

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Quote: Originally posted by kreb

But why do you deny the sender the choice to have all their sent cards on the sent wall? What if the empty ID with no card scanned causes pain to the sender every time she or he looks at it?

The problem is that the sent cards section is also MY wall.

Well, I personally do not care most of times, but I have read messages, for example, on Russian forum, from very confused and hurt Postcrossers, who had gone long way to scan their sent cards and then the receiver simply deletes the scan from wall. "Why do the receiver punish me? What did I do wrong?" those people ask.

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posted on 3-12-2009 at 04:19 AM

posted on 3-12-2009 at 04:53 AM

I don't post on my wall because most times the senders have already done that, sometimes even before I get cards. (which totally ruins the surprise)

I had no idea you could see what you're getting before you receive it? :puzzled:

Well, actually it says on the site "Until the postcard is registered, the image is only visible to you."

So no surprises will be ruined.

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Quote: Originally posted by jalutaja

Quote: Originally posted by kreb

Ultimately, though, it's the recipient's choice because only s/he can upload or delete images after the card is registered. Ammy is right that if it were intended for both parties to decide equally, they would both be enabled to do that. While I don't think the message ammy got was very nasty, I agree with her that it's her choice what cards she wants to upload on her wall. At least in her case, unlike those of Russian members you mention, everyone knows in advance whether or not their card will be featured on her wall. I don't think it's a punishment, it's just ammy's choice and it should be respected. I don't think one missing card on anyone's wall is such a big issue anyway, but maybe it's just the careless me

After all, we send cards to make the recipient happy, not to have our card scanned somewhere!

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posted on 3-12-2009 at 04:13 PM

Reading the question that the sender asked, I definitely think that there was no rudeness intended. The sender may not have realized that you have multiple accounts and for this specific account you are asking for B&W cards. I do agree with you that you are very open on your profile that you will accept non-B&W cards.

I do think that you are coming across very aggressively in this thread. Postcrossing is supposed to be fun for everyone. Some Postcrossers like to have their sent cards appear on their wall. You are correct that you the recipient can control it once you receive it. Personally I would never delete an already uploaded card, but you do have that ability.

I'm sorry that this has you so upset. Please try not to add tone or negativity in things that are written on the cards. You have no idea what the person's intonation is in the question, and by adding a negative one you've produced this whole thread.

Best wishes for your collection and I hope that you receive cards that you will enjoy and want to upload to your wall to share with all of us.

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posted on 3-12-2009 at 04:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by toddschoonover

Reading the question that the sender asked, I definitely think that there was no rudeness intended.

If that is so, then why did she write this line:

"I'd be interested in b&w Christmas cards - is there such a thing? Seen one?"

Is that to be sarcastic?

Also, that is kind of a moot point.

Without this line, her message would not have been "rude" to me.

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posted on 3-12-2009 at 08:11 PM

If you read her profile, she says she is interested in Christmas cards. I don't interpret her question as sarcastic at all. I think it was an honest question asking you if you've ever seen any black and white Christmas cards.

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Quote: Originally posted by toddschoonover

posted on 4-12-2009 at 12:26 AM

That is what I think as well. The member must have thought, after seeing your wall, she might know if there are B/W Christmas cards. In my opinion, it is an honest question.

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posted on 4-12-2009 at 12:29 AM

I don't post on my wall because most times the senders have already done that, sometimes even before I get cards. (which totally ruins the surprise)

I had no idea you could see what you're getting before you receive it? :puzzled:

The receiver can't see an image that has been previously uploaded for an unregistered postcard, only the sender can (as they are the one who uploaded it)

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